When I can tear myself away from the Peace Church website I have been know to venture on Ship of Fools. I followed a thread on one of their message boards for a while that was reflecting on an article by Bart Campolo - the son of Tony, and this statement of his was the crux of the debate.
'Some might say I would be wise to swallow my misgivings about such stuff, remain orthodox, and thereby secure my place with God in eternity. But that is precisely my point: If those things are true, then God might as well send me to Hell. For better or worse, I simply am not interested in any God but a completely good, entirely loving, and perfectly forgiving One who is powerful enough to utterly triumph over evil. Such a God may not exist, but I will die seeking such a God, and I will pledge my allegiance to no other possibility because, quite frankly, anything less is not worthy of my worship.
Please, don’t get me wrong. I am well aware that I don’t get to decide who God is. What I do get to decide, however, is to whom I pledge my allegiance. I am a free agent, after all, and I have standards for my God, the first of which is this: I will not worship any God who is not at least as compassionate as I am. '
I have heard Bart speak at a fairly evangelical youth work conference and I am sure most people didn't get the implications of what he was saying. In particular he told one story of a boy in inner city Chicago who had become a Christian before falling back into his previous gang and getting killed. At the funeral one woman asked him, 'was he saved?' Bart's answer and I got the impression he was very angry with the woman - 'what about all the other kids who weren't 'saved?''i.e what are the implications of your theology or believing in your God?
To me this comes close to summing up where I am at. I do believe in God and the things that I believe God is about. Even if there wasn't God, or I had the wrong idea about God, it wouldn't change the way I chose to live and be, I would probably just be more despondent about it! My big question is whether this God - infinately more compassionate, merciful, loving than me, is the God of the Bible or the God of Christianity. Perhaps that God is true but not worth following, or the Bible is just the reflection of a tribal God? Does Christianity distort my image of God? I have spent a lot of years and emotional energy trying to square this idea of God I have with the God of the Bible. I have read theology, philosophy, argued and debated, listened (occasionally) and questioned and whilst I feel much happier I am left with the following.
1. The attitude of many Christians - theology seems to lead to a certain point and debating with them simply leaves you feeling even more of an outsider. Christianity/the Bible seems to lead so many to a certain point it leaves you with the feeling that the core text/doctrine etc must be at fault.
2. Revisionism - not sure if this is a fair word but taking parts of the Bible, including some of the sayings of Jesus and redoing them to fit a pre determined moral position that starts from a premise outside the Bible - God cannot possibly be this therefore this text that seems to say one thing must in fact say something else.
3. Making God in our own image whilst quoting the Bible! Using Jesus or God to justify or make sense of our own needs/prejudices/experiences of the world
4. Selectivity - only looking at or using certain texts.
I boil all of this down to - are the two things -my understanding of God and Christianity, incompatible and I am only not willing to give that up because I have invested so much of who I am, my career, my community etc into it. Am I too scared to let go of my religion in order to truely find God?
I have come in one key way to the same conclusion as Bart. I will attempt to live in a way that believes certain things about God and if that makes it unChristian, unorthodox, unbiblical then I now have the self confidence which I didn't have a few years ago to do that. If people want to convince me that this actually is what the Bible/Jesus/Christianity are really saying then I am very open to stay with that journey, but without ducking these hard questions or being afraid to put the kind, compassionate, loving, merciful before doctrine, religion. orthodoxy, the Bible.
I'm so glad you feel you have the self-confidence to take the journey you see before you, Tim. Nice one.
So what will you do with the Bible/Jesus/Christianity now? Do you feel that there is a way to work with them that doesn't lead to the four problems you've outlined? Or do you feel there is no way of avoiding those problems and the Bible/Jesus/Christianity need to be passed over?
I love the quote you highlighted. It resonates completely with who I believe God has to be. I guess I'm a bit different in my reaction to the bible because I think that it's been used and abused over the last 2000 years for (generally) man's own ends and that huge sections are interpreted in a way designed to maintain oppression and feed greed. I have a strong hope that there is a different way of reinterpreting the bible and that God as the most compassionate and loving being can be discovered there. I hope the quest continues!
I have just stubbled accross this thread [I know I am a bit behind the times here in beirut] but it struck a chord. Have you got the whole article from where the quote came from? It is from 'The Limits of God's Grace' published in The Journal of Student Ministries by Youth Specialites [I have a pdf version if you want it]. I was also challenged when I read it, and it has caused me to reflect further on the theme he develops [in fact we had a TableTalk:Lebanon on universalism largely as a result of reading this article]. However your thinking on what faith in God / Jesus may look like apart from a typically 'orthodox / religious / Biblical /'christian' understanding are relevant for us as within a Muslim context. Is it 'right' / 'fair' / 'justified' to expect Muslims to become 'Christians' with all that means [loaded connotations] in terms of leaving their cultural heritage etc. or is a more contextualised approach that allows members of this monotheistic faith to define for themselves what following Jesus may look like. Have you come across the C1-C6 scale of contextualised mission - & particularly the C-5 'High Spectrum' contextualised model of Muslim follows of Isa [The Muslim name for jesus]. We are currently exploring themes around this. There are obvious links to youth work - and any other form of 'cross'-cultural encounter. Would be great to chat more about this when we are in the UK this summer.
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